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Re: Every vote counts

Postby Lydiot » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:29 am

jwocky wrote:See, to yell over Trump's remarks about women was a joke because you know, Hilary had to cover up for her husband and his little intern-hunts for decades now. So, you get all upset about some remarks but you condone statuary rape. Shows the hypocrisy, doesn't it.


Yes, it does. I'd explain it to you but you'd never comprehend it.

For anyone else, it's pretty simple:

- Bill Clinton wasn't running for president.
- Trump was.
- Bill Clinton wasn't found guilty of statutory rape (check spelling for fucks sake).
- Trump admitted on tape he committed acts very likely to constitute sexual assault.
- Compare what Trump said about Hillary's comments to Bill's accusers with Trumps own comments about his own accusers.



Yeah, it's hypocritical. I think a majority of the Americans saw that fortunately, but unfortunately there's the idiotic electoral system.
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Re: Every vote counts

Postby LesterBoffo » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:49 pm

KL-666 wrote:Hi Lydiot,

It may become a tough 4 years, but there is nothing that can be changed about that now, can it? So better make the best of it and save your breath till the next election, instead of getting a heart attack out of anger halfway.

Let me predict you something else. I think Trump is an unguided projectile when on his own, desperately wanting to win an election. When in office surrounded by normal ministers, his policies will not be any worse than of a normal right wing republican, like W. Bush. Did you go berserk 8 years long during his reign?

Save your list of Trumps promises for over 4 years. Then you can hit him with the fact that he has implemented none of them.

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If I recall my US History correctly Those 8 years of Dubya Bush's were not a really honorable time in the USA.

An Internationally illegal war started on falsehood and lies, hundreds of thousands maimed and killed over oil, and on top of it like a cherry on a cream tart, nearly killing the Western World's economy through financial market hubris. We didn't quite loose the Genie in the bottle that time, this time we're sure to get all our ducks lined up.

May you live in interesting times....

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Re: Every vote counts

Postby D-ECHO » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:58 pm

An interesting thing I heard, actually Hillary Clinton got about 200 000 votes more, but because of the electors principle, Trump won :D (The winner takes it all et.al)

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Re: Every vote counts

Postby Lydiot » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:39 pm

LesterBoffo wrote:If I recall my US History correctly Those 8 years of Dubya Bush's were not a really honorable time in the USA.

An Internationally illegal war started on falsehood and lies, hundreds of thousands maimed and killed over oil, and on top of it like a cherry on a cream tart, nearly killing the Western World's economy through financial market hubris. We didn't quite loose the Genie in the bottle that time, this time we're sure to get all our ducks lined up.

May you live in interesting times....


Yeah. I think one difference is - and this is based on my perception from the campaigns and the outcome - that W actually cared about the truth when he spoke, and he spoke with conviction and from conviction. So I mean that when he said before becoming a president that he didn't believe in nation-building that was actually what was in his head. No lie or deception. After 9/11 I think he changed his mind. And I think in his mind there was a legitimate WMD threat, if not directly against the US against US interests. So while he might have been wrong it was probably because he surrounded himself by people who had wanted that war for years and were now misinforming him. They deserve a huge part of the blame for the 2003 Iraq war.

Trump on the other hand displayed a persona that simply didn't care about the truth, because the people that would elect him don't care about the truth either. They just care about the feeling they get when they see that persona. So that's why he can give completely wrong statistics on unemployment, or say China created a global-warming-hoax one week and then say he never said it... he just doesn't care what the truth is, and neither did his voters.

W also didn't feed bigotry and xenophobia the way Trump did.

So I agree that the potential for great harm is much higher this time.
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Re: Every vote counts

Postby LesterBoffo » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:53 pm

I strongly believe that W. Bush was a very naive person who surrounded himself with the worst possible cabinet.

In particular Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfield's conceited, concocted up, and convincing story after 9/11 that sets us on a path to ruin our economy and bring the world to the brink of a major war. The fallout we 're still receiving from the unfinished mess they created/left in Iraq.

Despite all the right wing echo chamber bloviation that mess is not Obama's.

And now we elect a far more conceited, shallow, thin-skinned moron as commander in chief. This was not a mandate about jobs it was a big f#ck-up on the part of the DNC, and Hillary getting complacent about the outcome of the election. You can bet there has been some deep soul searching in the Clinton campaign these past couple of days.

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Re: Every vote counts

Postby IAHM-COL » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:14 pm

LesterBoffo wrote:Hillary getting complacent about the outcome of the election.


May I ask for clarification? Do you mean as in she is content about it?
I don't see it that way, if that is what you meant.

I think she is naturally sad and dissapointed she couldn't score "first female USA commander in chief" title. But as to say complacent, I don't feel it.

On the perspective of things, thou: She had to give a concession speech. It wasn't voluntary for her to concede. Really.
Furthermore, didn't the country went on an spin-off about what Trump meant with his attitude on the final (3rd) candidate debate, when he hinted he wouldnt' be conceding power past the elections. It is clearly natural to be shocked at the idea that the candidate loosing the elections would nt calmly accept such result. And thus, the strange stubborness on President Elect Trump to admit people were still the ones doing the choosing here.

On that sense of ideas, I don't think Clinton will ever have a chance to contest this result and her words sound natural to me. She can only stand behind and support the new elected president -- wishing him all the best. Right?
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Re: Every vote counts

Postby LesterBoffo » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:18 pm

D-ECHO wrote:An interesting thing I heard, actually Hillary Clinton got about 200 000 votes more, but because of the electors principle, Trump won :D (The winner takes it all et.al)


It's a repeat of 2000 and Gore's possible winning, we are bound to a19th century election convention that has no place in a modern democracy.

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Re: Every vote counts

Postby Lydiot » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:38 pm

IAHM-COL wrote:
LesterBoffo wrote:Hillary getting complacent about the outcome of the election.


May I ask for clarification? Do you mean as in she is content about it?
I don't see it that way, if that is what you meant.


He might have meant that she felt comfortable before the election that she would win. She was complacent about the outcome (before it happened). That's probably true.
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Re: Every vote counts

Postby Lydiot » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:39 pm

LesterBoffo wrote:
D-ECHO wrote:An interesting thing I heard, actually Hillary Clinton got about 200 000 votes more, but because of the electors principle, Trump won :D (The winner takes it all et.al)


It's a repeat of 2000 and Gore's possible winning, we are bound to a19th century election convention that has no place in a modern democracy.


I refuse to characterize this as democracy. Period.
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Re: Every vote counts

Postby jwocky » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:29 pm

Oh I love it how all those liberals are upset and try to spin it. If you would be a touch brighter, you would open a calculator window and add up the votes as the results show them state by state ... but then, this would kill you delusion, Hilary Clinton won anything because without Arizona and Michigan which hadn't officially announce last night still, Trump had not only the majority of the electoral votes but also already roughly 1 million votes more in the popular vote ... so, you can cheat yourself, but try not too cheat too many other people.

About Iraq and Afghanistan ... since Lester dumped the whole liberal liar's handbook ... opposite to Clinton, who voted for both wars, Trump actually spoke out against them in TV shows. He later changed his stance and said, okay, after politics decided to go to war, he will of course stand behind that, but he never voted for those wars nor did he promote them, that was what you sacrosanct leader did ...

About honor ... well, I found it always an iffy subject to discuss with hardcore liberals.First of all, the tactics to count all the victims of sectarian terrorism in Iraq on Bush and then just make up some extra hundred-thousand dead is too near to blatant lying to make the idea of honor in the liberal sense understandable for me. At some point, so claimed liberla media, there had so many people died, that you had to bring in people to Iraq to have still someone living there. There had allegedly more people died from Bush than there lived to begin with.
Of course, the allegedly so inhonorable thing in putting a dangerous dictator out of business is a subject of discussion too. I mean, it takes a real liberal to ignore Saddam's mass graves around Abu Ghaib and in Northern Iraq. According to latest news, I read, they have in the meantime about 50% of the victims from those mass graves identified. Whole village populations, men, women, children, had been gassed in helicopter attacks. But hey, Saddam also started out once as secular socialist, so I can understand why you don't want to discuss his crimes. It's the same with the "falsehood" claim. See, there was no weaponized uranium found, but if you take a very close look at the Iraq landscape, you find a ruin, it is that of the so-called Tamuz, Block-I (block-II I think was later given up as well). Tamuz-I was a breed reactor for weaponizable uranium, the begin of the nuclear chain (the thing, we have now such problems with in Iran). That thing has about the size of a city block and is still (after the Israelis bombed it in the 80s before it could go hot) about four to five floors high ... one has really to be quite ideological blindfolded to overlook a building of that size. And btw, the C-weapons, Saddam's buddy Chemical-Ali used to kill thousands of Kurds, they count as WMDs too. Oh, but we are not supposed to discuss where Iraq got the C-weapons to begin with because another liberal President, Jimmy the Peanut gave it to them.

So, now, here we are again. The Democrats lost an election ... and after they told us for eight years "we won, get over it", after eight years in which conservatives had to do with the laws of the land as crazy as some of Obama's ideas were, but he was the elected President, after eight years in which Conservatives had to apply to the rules of democracy, as painful as it was often, now, after the lost election, liberal mobs roam the streets, liberals troll forums, your BLM bros call already for open violence ... see, to lose is hard, obviously especially for so-called liberals. A glance into the history books shows, you already once got upset about a politicial defeat and started a civil war. I don't know, maybe your violent wing wants to try again? If not, it is time that you people start to think and think hard ... do you want to flush down democracy the toilet? Or can you adhere to the rules of democracy? Are you an inherently dictatorial ideology (Communism is one for example and so is to a degree Socialism) trying to split the country by hate and lies or are you able to go with the Constitution and try re-unite? That ball is in your half now.
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