Will it end badly?

[J Maverick 16]

Discussing about the new MQ-9 UAV and YouKnowHow obviously had to give his opinions...
https://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic. ... 59#p290259

I'm not sure if what I've wrote will somehow make me a future target for getting banned from the official forum, but I can't just stand reading this way of dealing with other alternatives which aren't the "normal", trusted and always-used way in FG.
Regards, Mav

[SHM]

I don't do MP, never have, never been interested, likely never will.

Maybe hammerstonesmurf never wants to make friends or is so poor at flying, that he doesn't want anyone to see

[bomber]

Oh didn't see this post here....

[IAHM-COL]

Not to add fuel to this... but are these two alternatives to damage implementation exclusive? (can't they be both used in either one version or two versions of a given aircraft?)

A second question I have.
I know bombable can't be used against your will. That is; if you don't have bombable installed/patched in your system, you can't be brougth down.

With the damage nasal system: Do pilots still have this "option out"? or could you found yourself the easy target of a troll?

IH-COL

[bomber]

Sorry if I over steped.... but I've had enough of that c8nt.

Bomber wrote - If i thought I could learn anything from you about aerodynamic damage I'd listen, but from what you've written in the past I know full well you're a long way behind me on it.

Thosten wrote
Like you 'knew' I couldn't come up with an FDM...

This is to you, Maverick just as well as PINTO - I am really getting tired of this 'you haven't done X in FG, you have no clue'.

Damage of an airframe is (irreversible) deformation of materials. Aerodynamics is applied fluid dynamics. It's all physics... You'd think that with a background in theoretical physics, the ability to understand and solve the math of differential equations and experience in computational fluid dynamics I'm quite qualified to talk about these things without even being interested in them or having done any.

You'd also think that having written guidance systems for a spacecraft and solved the math of overcoming numerical artifacts for objects moving at 8 km/s in FG proves that I really *really* know how to solve equations of motion, trajectory intersections and so on. You'd think that having actually coded one of the most sophisticated failure systems in FG proves that theoretical knowledge really maps into FG.

It's not even that I'm not interested in military aviation - it just seems the community doing it is so hell-bent on alienating knowledgeable people that it just got bumped way down my priority list, otherwise you'd have things a library of explosion shader effects or a fire damage model at your disposal which I've been developing and then dropped because I really do not want to put up with this.

But please - if you think the problem you're trying to address has nothing to do with physics, differential equations or fluid dynamics - just disregard everything I say. Because that's what I know really well. So whatever would I know of damage modeling since I'm not doing a warplane?

So at the end of the day - what precisely is your qualification here? What's your math background?

Bomber wrote
Thorsten you're so full of it it makes me puke... you talk to me and others as though we're your 20 years old students, green behind the ears, wide eyed with wonder at every word you say.

What you come across as, is a spoilt acedemic who swims in a very small pool where you're the biggest fish... but I work in the real world where you're only as good as your last job.... take your explosions and shuve em up your arse ya spoilt little child... I'm sick of you blowing your own trumpet telling everyone how good you are.

I rather like having a conversation about this and that.... but YOU simply want to tell us what your opinion is and the devil to a design discussion, because you have no idea how to go about having such a thing with your peers.

Here's my CV....


Simon Morley


Engineering Industrial Training Board recognised apprenticeship as an 'electrical' draughtsman

Drawing Board skills
Intergraph
Microstation
AutoCad
Lightwave
3D Studio Vis
Inventor
Solid Edge
Photoshop

Experience
Sep 2013 to Present CH2M Hill / Halcrow - Derby
Electrical and Mechanical design requirements for PRM TSI upgrade on class 323’s, 319’s 150’s, 185’s using Solid Edge and Microstation

Electrical design of a Train Control System on a conversion of a 1972 London Underground stock to a ‘6 car Asset inspection Train’ with ETCS for Tube Lines.

June 2011 - Aug 2013 Network Rail – Derby & Milton Keynes
ERTMS electrical design and installation technical support for the class 97 (ex class 37), 97301 for the Cambrian Line.
Electrical design within the ‘Winterisation’ project covering the
'Snow and Ice Treatment Vehicle' and 'Winter Development Vehicle'
Surveys for ERTMS installations on MPV’s and Class 37/5 loco.

• System Block Diagram
• System Schematic Diagrams
• Loop Diagrams
• Harness Schedules
• Harness Routing
• Harness Manufacturing Drawings c/w Parts List
• Harness Wiring Diagrams
• Point to Point Wiring Diagrams
Nov 2010 – June 2011 Halcrow - Derby
Electrical design of a Train Control System on a conversion of a 1972 London Underground stock to a ‘4 car Asset inspection Train’ with ETCS for Tube Lines.
• Complete set of manufacturing and installation drawings as above
Oct 2010 – Nov 2010 Cullums Detuners - Heanor
Short Contract to help with :
• Finalising the design pack for the Pegasus engine test bed at RAF Wittering.
• Producing concept designs for a new engine test bed in Singapore.

Sept 2009 – Oct 2010 Gen Ex Designs - Heanor
Projects worked on :
• Design of Containerised Diesel Gensets for Zone 2 and Class 1 Div 2 environments.
• Preparing G.A.’s, SLD’s, Bock Cable Diagrams, Cable Schedules and Termination Diagrams.
• Creating project documention, ie Production Databook, O & M Manuals and Technical Databook.

Feb 2008 – Aug 2009 Cullums Detuners - Heanor
Projects worked on :
• Rolls Royce Aerospace - Using Solid Edge & Autocad 2007 to produce all drawings required for ’58 bed’ the worlds most advanced jet engine test bed.
• Exon Mobile – Design of control systems & associated cabling to allow reuse of gas turbine exhaust gases.
• Rolls Royce Marine - Design of control systems & associated for the Trent 1000 (Mt30) turbine enclosure used on the new Royal Navy Aircraft carriers.



Sept 2007 – Feb 2008 Alstec (Airports), Leicester
Using Autocad 2007 to produce electrical & installation diagrams for the Heathrow Terminal 4 baggage handling systems change-over to American carriers.

July 2006 – Sept 2007 Rolls Royce Aerospace, Sinfin, Derby
Using Autocad produce Electrical drawings and parts lists for the Trent 1000 ETOPS docking frame.

Jan 2006 – july 2006 Lloyds Register Rail, Belper, Derbyshire
Using Microstation to produce Electrical/Mechanical diagrams for GSM/WIFI telephone/data installation on class 390 trains.

Sept 2005 – Dec 2005 Alstec (Nuclear), Leicester
Using Autocad 2002 to produce electrical diagrams for Sizewell Nuclear power station refurbishment.

April 2005 – Sept 2005 Haley Sharpe ltd, Leicester
Using Autocad 2005 to produce tender and construction designs for various heritage museums projects.

July 2004 – April 2005 Alstec (airports & Nuclear), Leicester
Using Autocad 2002 to produce electrical diagrams for Heathrow Terminal 4 check-in desks and Wylfa Nuclear power station refurbishment.

July 2003 – July 2004 Career Break
Nov. 2002 – July 2003 Bombardier Transportation, Derby
Using Microstation to produce 3D solid models and 2D Electrical/Mechanical designs required for the shop floor production of Connex ‘Electrostar’ 376

Aug. 2002 – Nov. 2002 FMA Process Engineering, Staffordshire
Using AutoCad Lite to produce all drawings required for the Multi-Motor, PLC, I/O termination & VOS panels for Coors brewers Tadcaster refurbishment project
Sept. 2001 - May 2002
PowerGen plc, Leicestershire
Business Process Analyst – Design Authority
June 2000 - Sept. 2001
Unigraphics Ltd
Working within a small team and using Intergraph to produce all diagrams required with a control room installation including:

Room Layouts, Desk Layout, Point to Point, Termination, Conduit / Cable tray installation, Cable routes & Flood wiring diagrams.
Oct. 1999 - June 2000
PowerGen plc, Leicestershire
IS Business Analyst - Distribution IS
Sept. 1998 - Oct. 1999
PowerGen Standard Designs Engineer - Networks IS
Working alongside the engineering specialists and using AutoCad to produce engineering drawings to supporting a set of Engineering Manuals including.

Wiring Diagrams, Buildings and Civil drawings, 3D Assembly drawings, Material component drawings, Site Layouts

First line support of the Telecom Departments AutoCad system.
April 1993 - Sept. 1998
PowerGen Drawing Office - Telecom Department
Tasked to establish a small ISO 9000 drawing office including:

Implementation & support of the AutoCAD and Electronic Document Management system – Enhancement 1.

Working alongside the Telecom engineers to deliver:

Site layouts, 3D Cabin layouts, Cubicle layout, Conduit / Cable tray installation, Cable routes, 3D Telecom mast layout, Building services, Flood wiring diagrams, Patch panel & Optical fibre connection diagrams.
Jan. 1992 - April 1993
Courtaulds Chemicals plc, Spondon, Derbyshire
Assisting the CAD Manager in the support of the new Autocad System for :

• AutoCAD training of existing drawing office staff.
• Support of the AutoCAD & it’s unix file servers
• Support of the Electronic Document Management system - Enhancement 1.
• Write add-on lisp routines to increase productivity.

Working within a hazardous environment to produce 3D building layout, Plant layout, Cable Routes, Piping & wiring schematics diagrams
Oct. 1991- Jan. 1992
BICC Transmitton ltd, Leicestershire
Writing Autolisp routines to automatically produce AutoCad diagrams from information contained within schematic wiring diagrams.

Bill of materials diagram, Termination diagram

Aug. 1991 - Oct. 1991
Goodmariot & Hursthouse, Nottingham
Working within a small control and instrumentation team to produce AutoCad diagrams for motor control cubicles including:

General Arrangement, Door cut-outs, Gear tray layout diagrams

Feb. 1991 - Aug. 1991
Jasmin Controls ltd, Nottingham
Assistant Project Manager designing all aspect Control system for Sewage treatment Works for Yorkshire Water including:

Plc control logic, PC interface telemetry signals & zone 2 safety protection.

June 1990 - Feb. 1991
Severn Trent Water plc, Nottingham/Derby
Working within the ‘leakages’ team I carried out site surveys and the installation of recording devices to capture flow, pressure rates and head levels for exporting into GENUS a Network Modelling Package.

Writing Autolisp routines to automatically produce diagrams of the network using data imported from the Network Modelling Package.

April 1990 - June 1990
British Rail Technical Centre, Derby
Using the Intergraph to redesigning the internal environment of existing rail stock to improve commuter safety following the Clapham incident.

Nov. 1989 - April 1990
N.S.W. Waterboard, Sydney, Australia
Carrying out sites surveys of water & sewage treatment works & using AutoCad to produce Site layout, Room layout & Cubicle layout diagrams

Aug. 1988 - Nov. 1989
British Rail Technical Centre, Derby
Using Intergraph to produce mechanical diagrams required for the conversion of a four rail system used on a class 483 (1938) underground stock to a three rail system used on the Isle of Wight railway network

June 1988 - Aug. 1988
Brel plc, Derby
Using Intergraph to layout equipment and electrical cable routes within the under-frame of the class 158 sprinter.

April 1988 - June 1988
Chronos Richardson Ltd, Nottingham
Using Autocad to produce diagrams associated with the control systems used within the food & rubber processing industry.

Oct. 1987 - April 1988
Thorn EMI Electronics Ltd, Rugely, Staffordshire
Responsible for producing wiring diagrams & cable schedules for electronic data distribution systems within the 'Fire Control' and 'Environment System' Control Panels used on the Royal Navy’s Trident Submarines.

Aug. 1985 - Oct. 1987
Jasmin Controls Ltd, Nottingham
Production of all drawings for power generation and instrumentation & control projects.

Clients include : Severn Trent Water, Yorkshire Water, Taylor Woodrow, GEC, Brush Electrical, BNFL, BP, Property Services Agency

AutoCAD system manager: Backups, Updates, Standards Libraries, Staff Training

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Sandiacre Electric Limited, Nottingham
Time served draughting apprenticeship within a Power Generation / Control & Instrument design office producing:

General arrangements, Gear tray layouts, Panel fabrication, Bus bar fabrication, Schematic wiring (logic), Point to point, Cabling schedules, Termination & Art work for mimic diagrams

[J Maverick 16]

Before it probably disappears:
https://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic. ... 57#p290357
Regards, Mav

[J Maverick 16]

Not to add fuel to this... but are these two alternatives to damage implementation exclusive? (can't they be both used in either one version or two versions of a given aircraft?)

A second question I have.
I know bombable can't be used against your will. That is; if you don't have bombable installed/patched in your system, you can't be brougth down.

With the damage nasal system: Do pilots still have this "option out"? or could you found yourself the easy target of a troll?

IH-COL

Actually you have to implement a "repair" option to your aircraft if you get shot or better a disable option (something the most advanced OPRF aircrafts have) to prevent that.
Regards, Mav

[OPFOR77]

It's incredibly easy to add an on/off switch to the damage code. It's setting one property. And yes, it can coexist with bombable, but you'd need to only use one at a time. Yes, you can get trolled if your running with damage enabled. If that's something you worry about, turn off damage or fly another plane.

If the damage.nas isn't implemented well, then it will be always-on. So beware those if you don't wanna get shot down.

[IAHM-COL]

I like the disable switch idea a lot

Really solves the problem and keeps the best of both worlds.

[IAHM-COL]

Holly Molly Bomber.
Awesome CV

I was curious to know some of that detail. But it's quite impressive!!!