KL-666 wrote:Lydiot wrote:- When people do the right thing, and then someone tells them they did the wrong thing, they want to explain that they were right.
- When they do try to explain that they were right, if they were right, the response to that shouldn't really be "Don't argue with me or I'll ignore you" but "oh, sorry, I was wrong". You're not a dictator, you're a human being, just like everyone else. If your response to them trying to explain that they did the right thing is "Don't discuss this with me or I'll ignore you" then people will think that you're a crazy self-obsessed lunatic and not like you.
https://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13009&p=297200&sid=84c3f1d875e0d00fca8d64136b08e841#p297199
You are very right in an environment where there are no other responsibilities than just chat about. But in the game of ATC flying there is the responsibility to give other pilots instructions in a timely manner. No one should be so self-centered as to hijack the channel because he feels entitled to discuss and mess up other peoples flights. If he has a problem he can file a complaint afterwards e.g. on the forum.
So in the game of ATC flying rule no. 1 is: Do not discuss.
Many ATC's "wrong" me so once in a while. But i never discuss on channel, because i do not want to ruin other peoples flights.
Kind regards, Vincent
Do you want to go through some of his videos and watch HIM "discuss on channel"? Probably not. Because the truth is that when HE decides to yell or "discuss" it's ok, it's just that it's not ok for anyone else to do it.
This isn't real life. This is a bunch of people flying for fun in a game.
Now, Jomo has choices as to how he expresses himself and how he behaves. Just like everyone else has a choice. Since the multiplayer isn't proprietary and there isn't an ability to lock players out there's another issue one has to be completely aware of: You can't prevent others from doing what they want on MP. Since this is the case the best thing to do is to be productive.
So, the question is this - Which is more productive in the long term:
a) Taking X amount of seconds to write a nasty ALL CAPS MESSAGE to a pilot that didn't do what he was supposed to do because he didn't understand terminology, or
b) Taking the same X seconds to explain what that terminology means..
???
As an example, if you look at yesterday's video you'll see BAW2334 incorrectly line up after ACA873 takes off. Obviously an error in procedure. Jomo's response is:
"WHO ALLOWED YOU ONTU RUNWAY!!!!!!!!!!! CAN YOU DO ANYTHING RIGHT?"
Now, if this BAW2334 is someone who didn't try to screw things up, but simply misunderstood procedure, the above comment is terrible. It's terrible because it's basically just yelling and calling a person completely incompetent. BAW2334 then says:
"Speedbird 2334, holding short of rwy 25C" - clearly this is wrong. He's not holding short, he's lined up on runway. So, clearly he doesn't understand terminology. What are the options here?
Jomo: "BAW2334: You are lying -- That means you are neglected -- I have better things to do!"
"lying" is a bit of a harsh word, no? Regardless, here's what he could have written instead: "Holding short means you are OFF the runway". In fact, that's what I wrote to BAW2334. And what did he say? "LOL SORRY" and then he taxied OFF the runway.
So, with one short sentence I accomplished two things:1) I educated him on the meaning of "holding short" (or part of it - what it does
not mean)
2) I got him to actually exit the runway
Then,
BAW2334: "Speedbird 2334 now ACTUALLY holding short of rwy 25C"
Jomo: "YOU HAD BEEN IGNORED -- try next time following advises"
So, now that the guy learned something and moved off the runway to comply with commands Jomo still yells in all caps and continues to ignore the guy.BAW then explains it was only his second time under ATC and that he was trying to follow commands. Jomo continues to ignore the guy and he finally says "SCREW THIS", takes off anyway, and says that the next time he sees Jomo he won't bother.
Completely
unnecessary.
And,
Jomo: "SKY 111: circle right down to 5000ft"
SKY111: "ATCjomo: circle right to 5000ft"
Jomo: "SKY 111: pls confirm all orders!"
Ask yourself at this point - did SKY111 confirm the order? Yes, yes he did. Did Jomo have any way of seeing this? Yes, yes he did, because it was all
highlighted right below the field in which he typed his comments.... so;
SKY111: "ATCjomo: I just did"
Jomo: "SKY 111: Do not try to discuss with me or you are neglected!"
In other words: I'm always right, and don't try to tell me I'm not or I'll neglect you.
There's one standard for Jomo when he's the ATC, and another standard for everyone else.
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