Plane Crash in Egypt - 224 Dead

[MIG29pilot]

Was the aircraft tracked by radar?

[legoboyvdlp]

Um, yes, obviously, all aircraft over land, assuming not in the middle of the Sahara or Indian Ocean (or ang ocean) are tracked by radar.

[KL-666]

Yes, a 3 km separation does not seem to be from full alt (fl 300). On the other hand leaks of the boxes say that everything was normal, and then it stopped suddenly. This indicates an immediate cut of the cables to the boxes at the start of the problem.

So what cuts the front from the back and does not immediately separates the front from the back?

Kind regards, Vincent

[HOM001]

They are pretty much sure it was a bomb now.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/ ... 7D20151108

@KL-666
I remember a Mayday episode about a FedEx DC-10 where the jumpseat passenger kept killing the FDR breaker switch in the cockpit. Could this be possible to do with an A321?
Although that would open up a whole new inside man conspiracy theory....

[legoboyvdlp]

Well, HOM001, since the breakers are above the heads of the pilots, it is pretty noticeable that your copilot is reaching up and hitting a breaker.
Unless it is a double-double inside job.

[jwocky]

I have no idea where the boxes arwe in the A321. Somewhere in the rear, after the APU compartment of before?

[KL-666]

@hom001
Mostly the simplest explanation is the right one. Simplest is structural faillure i think. I would not introduce speculative factors like malicious pilots. Neither is there a reason to introduce a speculation of 90% bomb.

@jabberwocky
The boxes are in the compartment where the horizontal stabilizer crosses the fuselage. Just in front of the stabilizer.

If the fuselage cracked, whether by a bomb or fatigue, i think the roof is the first part to crack. So i am very curious if the wires go through the roof. That would explain the immediate cut-off of the boxes, without immediately loosing the whole tail section. It would hang for a while on the floor beams.

Kind regards, Vincent

[legoboyvdlp]

I suppose a muffled bang could be a crack?
UA235 had a similar incident, which sadly killed over 100, when the DC10 had a TOTAL hydraulic failure (no mechanical backup, so they were flying with only throttles to keep wings level. Ended up crashing.)

[MIG29pilot]

Mostly the simplest explanation is the right one. Simplest is structural faillure i think. I would not introduce speculative factors like malicious pilots. Neither is there a reason to introduce a speculation of 90% bomb.

If it was a structural failure, why did it climb, and why didn't it just fall out of the sky when if broke apart?
I mean, if the tail came off the plane would have just flopped about crazily and fallen straight down like a piece of paper, due to the aerodynamics being mucked up.

[HJ1an]

Well, the data wasn't supposed to be so accurate, but then again the AirAsia qz8501 it was also recorded that they climbed steeply and stalled in tracking sites like FlightAware. So still a big question mark at this point. Logically a removal of tailplane would cause immediate nose dive.

I am thinking, If the horizontal stabilizer malfunctioned, that could do that, or if it's the bomb theory, then the bomb could have disabled the hydraulics completely/control and maybe defaulted its position aerodynamically to cause a climb.