The End of Free Speech? Turn to the Community.

[oscar6662]

I think he just went dct to SHM

[KL-666]

Any chance of me having a conversation with someone, without you pulling the conversation into your personal vendetta, Bomber?

Vincent

[==bomber==]

Are you taking the Micheal ?

Who exactly were you having this conversation with ?

[==bomber==]

In this very topic...

You didn't object to SkyBoats idea that this forum was a meritocracy when he was making out you're more deserving than me.

@bomber;==bomber==: Straighten up and fly right. Get off the fence and be a moderator that for one, respects Vincent. Let me put this to you very clearly—You are the one who is on the hook to earn his respect because he has paid his dues a thousand times over when it comes to this forum.

[KL-666]

Sorry, i do not see any meritocracy in what you quote. There is just a difference in someone who constantly seeks conflict, and someone else who does not.

Vincent

[jwocky]

Interesting resume. Seems, someone bounced a whole life around Autocad but never got really promoted. Which makes me think, a lot, that giving Bomber the opportunity to see the other side of the fence and maybe widen his horizon a little bit, is a failed experiment. Of course, I can't know, if he was never promoted into leadership positions has to do with his attitude to jump on everybody. Well, anyway, since Bomber seemed to be so determined not to use this opportunity for the community but only for abuse and self-aggrandizing, I am seriously thinking to pull the plug on that experiment.

[Falcon]

Vincent we knew this from the start that bomber was going to make this a horrible process to try to teach him some mannars and respect for his superiors. I count my self among those listed as superior to bomber simply because I have been involved with aviation IRL and in the Virtual world longer than he ever has. I am almost 19 and that means I have been in the field of aviation for 14 years. Think about that. A 5yr old aviation enthusiast, coming up on 14 years of experience in the field and let me tell you, Simon, I have met 3 YEAR OLDS WITH BETTER MANNERS THAN YOU It is time to either grow a pair, or get out. You need to learn that the entire world dose not revolve around you. Maybe locally it dose, but here, that is far from the truth. Stop trying to grab attention from people on this forum and making them loose sleep over this. I doubt you are because you are the instigator. IAHM-COL Is probably going through this thread right now and thinking "what the heck is he thinking", although with much more colorful language than I am using. Consider this the only time that I will ever offer someone who is as rude as you on this forum, I have read Curt's and your are much more polite there, and in some posts, supportive of the free flight crowd. But here in the Free Speech section of this forum, you use the most profanity out of everyone here, with the exception of Lydiot. Long story short for you Simon, Grow up or get out. Its that simple. If you are going to continue to act immature here then leave. We do not want your kind here.

Hi Falcon,

First off, STOP with this behavior towards Simon. He is much older than you, show some Respect!

With respect to experience :
You really should have done some Homework before you went on with your ranting. Simon has been here in the flightgear communtity for about 10 years now. He has developed many of the FDMs, founded T4T and so on. You will also find some of Bombers's FDMs in Outerra. The FDMs he has developed are not simple flyable ones, but high quality ones. So, how can some one without any experience, develop these FDMs ?
He is well qualified by the work he has done over the years, rather than your so said "14 years"
And also he surpasses the "14 year mark" if that makes you any happy.

Now you could go and say, I have flown this much years on the virtual world. I have heard that a lot, just to see them fail for some simple tasks so that doesn't work with me. Instead I challenge you to spawn on FG-MP and go through some challenges (I don't have X-Plane, but only P3d. And for these challenges I need you to come on FG-MP, I don't have the necessary technical know-how to do it on VATSIM.)

Now to the fact that SImon ain't leaving anytime soon :
As I said above, Simon had contributed much more to FG, than you ever did.
What about you? Have you contributed any code to FG?

Instead you post some X-Plane screenshots from time to time, and come here to become a keyboard warrior in topics like this. Your profile shows that clearly.


So, i'd have Simon here anyday over you! and enjoy flying his planes rather than reading through your rants.

Here is bomber's CV

Simon Morley

Engineering Industrial Training Board recognised apprenticeship as an 'electrical' draughtsman

Drawing Board skills
Intergraph
Microstation
AutoCad
Lightwave
3D Studio Vis
Inventor
Solid Edge
Photoshop

Experience
Sep 2013 to Present CH2M Hill / Halcrow - Derby
Electrical and Mechanical design requirements for PRM TSI upgrade on class 323’s, 319’s 150’s, 185’s using Solid Edge and Microstation

Electrical design of a Train Control System on a conversion of a 1972 London Underground stock to a ‘6 car Asset inspection Train’ with ETCS for Tube Lines.

June 2011 - Aug 2013 Network Rail – Derby & Milton Keynes
ERTMS electrical design and installation technical support for the class 97 (ex class 37), 97301 for the Cambrian Line.
Electrical design within the ‘Winterisation’ project covering the
'Snow and Ice Treatment Vehicle' and 'Winter Development Vehicle'
Surveys for ERTMS installations on MPV’s and Class 37/5 loco.

• System Block Diagram
• System Schematic Diagrams
• Loop Diagrams
• Harness Schedules
• Harness Routing
• Harness Manufacturing Drawings c/w Parts List
• Harness Wiring Diagrams
• Point to Point Wiring Diagrams
Nov 2010 – June 2011 Halcrow - Derby
Electrical design of a Train Control System on a conversion of a 1972 London Underground stock to a ‘4 car Asset inspection Train’ with ETCS for Tube Lines.
• Complete set of manufacturing and installation drawings as above
Oct 2010 – Nov 2010 Cullums Detuners - Heanor
Short Contract to help with :
• Finalising the design pack for the Pegasus engine test bed at RAF Wittering.
• Producing concept designs for a new engine test bed in Singapore.

Sept 2009 – Oct 2010 Gen Ex Designs - Heanor
Projects worked on :
• Design of Containerised Diesel Gensets for Zone 2 and Class 1 Div 2 environments.
• Preparing G.A.’s, SLD’s, Bock Cable Diagrams, Cable Schedules and Termination Diagrams.
• Creating project documention, ie Production Databook, O & M Manuals and Technical Databook.

Feb 2008 – Aug 2009 Cullums Detuners - Heanor
Projects worked on :
• Rolls Royce Aerospace - Using Solid Edge & Autocad 2007 to produce all drawings required for ’58 bed’ the worlds most advanced jet engine test bed.
• Exon Mobile – Design of control systems & associated cabling to allow reuse of gas turbine exhaust gases.
• Rolls Royce Marine - Design of control systems & associated for the Trent 1000 (Mt30) turbine enclosure used on the new Royal Navy Aircraft carriers.



Sept 2007 – Feb 2008 Alstec (Airports), Leicester
Using Autocad 2007 to produce electrical & installation diagrams for the Heathrow Terminal 4 baggage handling systems change-over to American carriers.

July 2006 – Sept 2007 Rolls Royce Aerospace, Sinfin, Derby
Using Autocad produce Electrical drawings and parts lists for the Trent 1000 ETOPS docking frame.

Jan 2006 – july 2006 Lloyds Register Rail, Belper, Derbyshire
Using Microstation to produce Electrical/Mechanical diagrams for GSM/WIFI telephone/data installation on class 390 trains.

Sept 2005 – Dec 2005 Alstec (Nuclear), Leicester
Using Autocad 2002 to produce electrical diagrams for Sizewell Nuclear power station refurbishment.

April 2005 – Sept 2005 Haley Sharpe ltd, Leicester
Using Autocad 2005 to produce tender and construction designs for various heritage museums projects.

July 2004 – April 2005 Alstec (airports & Nuclear), Leicester
Using Autocad 2002 to produce electrical diagrams for Heathrow Terminal 4 check-in desks and Wylfa Nuclear power station refurbishment.

July 2003 – July 2004 Career Break
Nov. 2002 – July 2003 Bombardier Transportation, Derby
Using Microstation to produce 3D solid models and 2D Electrical/Mechanical designs required for the shop floor production of Connex ‘Electrostar’ 376

Aug. 2002 – Nov. 2002 FMA Process Engineering, Staffordshire
Using AutoCad Lite to produce all drawings required for the Multi-Motor, PLC, I/O termination & VOS panels for Coors brewers Tadcaster refurbishment project
Sept. 2001 - May 2002
PowerGen plc, Leicestershire
Business Process Analyst – Design Authority
June 2000 - Sept. 2001
Unigraphics Ltd
Working within a small team and using Intergraph to produce all diagrams required with a control room installation including:

Room Layouts, Desk Layout, Point to Point, Termination, Conduit / Cable tray installation, Cable routes & Flood wiring diagrams.
Oct. 1999 - June 2000
PowerGen plc, Leicestershire
IS Business Analyst - Distribution IS
Sept. 1998 - Oct. 1999
PowerGen Standard Designs Engineer - Networks IS
Working alongside the engineering specialists and using AutoCad to produce engineering drawings to supporting a set of Engineering Manuals including.

Wiring Diagrams, Buildings and Civil drawings, 3D Assembly drawings, Material component drawings, Site Layouts

First line support of the Telecom Departments AutoCad system.
April 1993 - Sept. 1998
PowerGen Drawing Office - Telecom Department
Tasked to establish a small ISO 9000 drawing office including:

Implementation & support of the AutoCAD and Electronic Document Management system – Enhancement 1.

Working alongside the Telecom engineers to deliver:

Site layouts, 3D Cabin layouts, Cubicle layout, Conduit / Cable tray installation, Cable routes, 3D Telecom mast layout, Building services, Flood wiring diagrams, Patch panel & Optical fibre connection diagrams.
Jan. 1992 - April 1993
Courtaulds Chemicals plc, Spondon, Derbyshire
Assisting the CAD Manager in the support of the new Autocad System for :

• AutoCAD training of existing drawing office staff.
• Support of the AutoCAD & it’s unix file servers
• Support of the Electronic Document Management system - Enhancement 1.
• Write add-on lisp routines to increase productivity.

Working within a hazardous environment to produce 3D building layout, Plant layout, Cable Routes, Piping & wiring schematics diagrams
Oct. 1991- Jan. 1992
BICC Transmitton ltd, Leicestershire
Writing Autolisp routines to automatically produce AutoCad diagrams from information contained within schematic wiring diagrams.

Bill of materials diagram, Termination diagram

Aug. 1991 - Oct. 1991
Goodmariot & Hursthouse, Nottingham
Working within a small control and instrumentation team to produce AutoCad diagrams for motor control cubicles including:

General Arrangement, Door cut-outs, Gear tray layout diagrams

Feb. 1991 - Aug. 1991
Jasmin Controls ltd, Nottingham
Assistant Project Manager designing all aspect Control system for Sewage treatment Works for Yorkshire Water including:

Plc control logic, PC interface telemetry signals & zone 2 safety protection.

June 1990 - Feb. 1991
Severn Trent Water plc, Nottingham/Derby
Working within the ‘leakages’ team I carried out site surveys and the installation of recording devices to capture flow, pressure rates and head levels for exporting into GENUS a Network Modelling Package.

Writing Autolisp routines to automatically produce diagrams of the network using data imported from the Network Modelling Package.

April 1990 - June 1990
British Rail Technical Centre, Derby
Using the Intergraph to redesigning the internal environment of existing rail stock to improve commuter safety following the Clapham incident.

Nov. 1989 - April 1990
N.S.W. Waterboard, Sydney, Australia
Carrying out sites surveys of water & sewage treatment works & using AutoCad to produce Site layout, Room layout & Cubicle layout diagrams

Aug. 1988 - Nov. 1989
British Rail Technical Centre, Derby
Using Intergraph to produce mechanical diagrams required for the conversion of a four rail system used on a class 483 (1938) underground stock to a three rail system used on the Isle of Wight railway network

June 1988 - Aug. 1988
Brel plc, Derby
Using Intergraph to layout equipment and electrical cable routes within the under-frame of the class 158 sprinter.

April 1988 - June 1988
Chronos Richardson Ltd, Nottingham
Using Autocad to produce diagrams associated with the control systems used within the food & rubber processing industry.

Oct. 1987 - April 1988
Thorn EMI Electronics Ltd, Rugely, Staffordshire
Responsible for producing wiring diagrams & cable schedules for electronic data distribution systems within the 'Fire Control' and 'Environment System' Control Panels used on the Royal Navy’s Trident Submarines.

Aug. 1985 - Oct. 1987
Jasmin Controls Ltd, Nottingham
Production of all drawings for power generation and instrumentation & control projects.

Clients include : Severn Trent Water, Yorkshire Water, Taylor Woodrow, GEC, Brush Electrical, BNFL, BP, Property Services Agency

AutoCAD system manager: Backups, Updates, Standards Libraries, Staff Training

March 1981- Aug. 1985
Sandiacre Electric Limited, Nottingham
Time served draughting apprenticeship within a Power Generation / Control & Instrument design office producing:

General arrangements, Gear tray layouts, Panel fabrication, Bus bar fabrication, Schematic wiring (logic), Point to point, Cabling schedules, Termination & Art work for mimic diagrams

Just incase you didn't know, This is my alt account that I use AT SCHOOL. My Primary is N3266G, and if you check the join date on that you will see that I joined before you. And Peter, Israel, and David can confirm this.

[N3266G]

Vincent we knew this from the start that bomber was going to make this a horrible process to try to teach him some mannars and respect for his superiors. I count my self among those listed as superior to bomber simply because I have been involved with aviation IRL and in the Virtual world longer than he ever has. I am almost 19 and that means I have been in the field of aviation for 14 years. Think about that. A 5yr old aviation enthusiast, coming up on 14 years of experience in the field and let me tell you, Simon, I have met 3 YEAR OLDS WITH BETTER MANNERS THAN YOU It is time to either grow a pair, or get out. You need to learn that the entire world dose not revolve around you. Maybe locally it dose, but here, that is far from the truth. Stop trying to grab attention from people on this forum and making them loose sleep over this. I doubt you are because you are the instigator. IAHM-COL Is probably going through this thread right now and thinking "what the heck is he thinking", although with much more colorful language than I am using. Consider this the only time that I will ever offer someone who is as rude as you on this forum, I have read Curt's and your are much more polite there, and in some posts, supportive of the free flight crowd. But here in the Free Speech section of this forum, you use the most profanity out of everyone here, with the exception of Lydiot. Long story short for you Simon, Grow up or get out. Its that simple. If you are going to continue to act immature here then leave. We do not want your kind here.

Hi Falcon,

First off, STOP with this behavior towards Simon. He is much older than you, show some Respect!

With respect to experience :
You really should have done some Homework before you went on with your ranting. Simon has been here in the flightgear communtity for about 10 years now. He has developed many of the FDMs, founded T4T and so on. You will also find some of Bombers's FDMs in Outerra. The FDMs he has developed are not simple flyable ones, but high quality ones. So, how can some one without any experience, develop these FDMs ?
He is well qualified by the work he has done over the years, rather than your so said "14 years"
And also he surpasses the "14 year mark" if that makes you any happy.

Now you could go and say, I have flown this much years on the virtual world. I have heard that a lot, just to see them fail for some simple tasks so that doesn't work with me. Instead I challenge you to spawn on FG-MP and go through some challenges (I don't have X-Plane, but only P3d. And for these challenges I need you to come on FG-MP, I don't have the necessary technical know-how to do it on VATSIM.)

Now to the fact that SImon ain't leaving anytime soon :
As I said above, Simon had contributed much more to FG, than you ever did.
What about you? Have you contributed any code to FG?

Instead you post some X-Plane screenshots from time to time, and come here to become a keyboard warrior in topics like this. Your profile shows that clearly.


So, i'd have Simon here anyday over you! and enjoy flying his planes rather than reading through your rants.

Here is bomber's CV

Simon Morley

Engineering Industrial Training Board recognised apprenticeship as an 'electrical' draughtsman

Drawing Board skills
Intergraph
Microstation
AutoCad
Lightwave
3D Studio Vis
Inventor
Solid Edge
Photoshop

Experience
Sep 2013 to Present CH2M Hill / Halcrow - Derby
Electrical and Mechanical design requirements for PRM TSI upgrade on class 323’s, 319’s 150’s, 185’s using Solid Edge and Microstation

Electrical design of a Train Control System on a conversion of a 1972 London Underground stock to a ‘6 car Asset inspection Train’ with ETCS for Tube Lines.

June 2011 - Aug 2013 Network Rail – Derby & Milton Keynes
ERTMS electrical design and installation technical support for the class 97 (ex class 37), 97301 for the Cambrian Line.
Electrical design within the ‘Winterisation’ project covering the
'Snow and Ice Treatment Vehicle' and 'Winter Development Vehicle'
Surveys for ERTMS installations on MPV’s and Class 37/5 loco.

• System Block Diagram
• System Schematic Diagrams
• Loop Diagrams
• Harness Schedules
• Harness Routing
• Harness Manufacturing Drawings c/w Parts List
• Harness Wiring Diagrams
• Point to Point Wiring Diagrams
Nov 2010 – June 2011 Halcrow - Derby
Electrical design of a Train Control System on a conversion of a 1972 London Underground stock to a ‘4 car Asset inspection Train’ with ETCS for Tube Lines.
• Complete set of manufacturing and installation drawings as above
Oct 2010 – Nov 2010 Cullums Detuners - Heanor
Short Contract to help with :
• Finalising the design pack for the Pegasus engine test bed at RAF Wittering.
• Producing concept designs for a new engine test bed in Singapore.

Sept 2009 – Oct 2010 Gen Ex Designs - Heanor
Projects worked on :
• Design of Containerised Diesel Gensets for Zone 2 and Class 1 Div 2 environments.
• Preparing G.A.’s, SLD’s, Bock Cable Diagrams, Cable Schedules and Termination Diagrams.
• Creating project documention, ie Production Databook, O & M Manuals and Technical Databook.

Feb 2008 – Aug 2009 Cullums Detuners - Heanor
Projects worked on :
• Rolls Royce Aerospace - Using Solid Edge & Autocad 2007 to produce all drawings required for ’58 bed’ the worlds most advanced jet engine test bed.
• Exon Mobile – Design of control systems & associated cabling to allow reuse of gas turbine exhaust gases.
• Rolls Royce Marine - Design of control systems & associated for the Trent 1000 (Mt30) turbine enclosure used on the new Royal Navy Aircraft carriers.



Sept 2007 – Feb 2008 Alstec (Airports), Leicester
Using Autocad 2007 to produce electrical & installation diagrams for the Heathrow Terminal 4 baggage handling systems change-over to American carriers.

July 2006 – Sept 2007 Rolls Royce Aerospace, Sinfin, Derby
Using Autocad produce Electrical drawings and parts lists for the Trent 1000 ETOPS docking frame.

Jan 2006 – july 2006 Lloyds Register Rail, Belper, Derbyshire
Using Microstation to produce Electrical/Mechanical diagrams for GSM/WIFI telephone/data installation on class 390 trains.

Sept 2005 – Dec 2005 Alstec (Nuclear), Leicester
Using Autocad 2002 to produce electrical diagrams for Sizewell Nuclear power station refurbishment.

April 2005 – Sept 2005 Haley Sharpe ltd, Leicester
Using Autocad 2005 to produce tender and construction designs for various heritage museums projects.

July 2004 – April 2005 Alstec (airports & Nuclear), Leicester
Using Autocad 2002 to produce electrical diagrams for Heathrow Terminal 4 check-in desks and Wylfa Nuclear power station refurbishment.

July 2003 – July 2004 Career Break
Nov. 2002 – July 2003 Bombardier Transportation, Derby
Using Microstation to produce 3D solid models and 2D Electrical/Mechanical designs required for the shop floor production of Connex ‘Electrostar’ 376

Aug. 2002 – Nov. 2002 FMA Process Engineering, Staffordshire
Using AutoCad Lite to produce all drawings required for the Multi-Motor, PLC, I/O termination & VOS panels for Coors brewers Tadcaster refurbishment project
Sept. 2001 - May 2002
PowerGen plc, Leicestershire
Business Process Analyst – Design Authority
June 2000 - Sept. 2001
Unigraphics Ltd
Working within a small team and using Intergraph to produce all diagrams required with a control room installation including:

Room Layouts, Desk Layout, Point to Point, Termination, Conduit / Cable tray installation, Cable routes & Flood wiring diagrams.
Oct. 1999 - June 2000
PowerGen plc, Leicestershire
IS Business Analyst - Distribution IS
Sept. 1998 - Oct. 1999
PowerGen Standard Designs Engineer - Networks IS
Working alongside the engineering specialists and using AutoCad to produce engineering drawings to supporting a set of Engineering Manuals including.

Wiring Diagrams, Buildings and Civil drawings, 3D Assembly drawings, Material component drawings, Site Layouts

First line support of the Telecom Departments AutoCad system.
April 1993 - Sept. 1998
PowerGen Drawing Office - Telecom Department
Tasked to establish a small ISO 9000 drawing office including:

Implementation & support of the AutoCAD and Electronic Document Management system – Enhancement 1.

Working alongside the Telecom engineers to deliver:

Site layouts, 3D Cabin layouts, Cubicle layout, Conduit / Cable tray installation, Cable routes, 3D Telecom mast layout, Building services, Flood wiring diagrams, Patch panel & Optical fibre connection diagrams.
Jan. 1992 - April 1993
Courtaulds Chemicals plc, Spondon, Derbyshire
Assisting the CAD Manager in the support of the new Autocad System for :

• AutoCAD training of existing drawing office staff.
• Support of the AutoCAD & it’s unix file servers
• Support of the Electronic Document Management system - Enhancement 1.
• Write add-on lisp routines to increase productivity.

Working within a hazardous environment to produce 3D building layout, Plant layout, Cable Routes, Piping & wiring schematics diagrams
Oct. 1991- Jan. 1992
BICC Transmitton ltd, Leicestershire
Writing Autolisp routines to automatically produce AutoCad diagrams from information contained within schematic wiring diagrams.

Bill of materials diagram, Termination diagram

Aug. 1991 - Oct. 1991
Goodmariot & Hursthouse, Nottingham
Working within a small control and instrumentation team to produce AutoCad diagrams for motor control cubicles including:

General Arrangement, Door cut-outs, Gear tray layout diagrams

Feb. 1991 - Aug. 1991
Jasmin Controls ltd, Nottingham
Assistant Project Manager designing all aspect Control system for Sewage treatment Works for Yorkshire Water including:

Plc control logic, PC interface telemetry signals & zone 2 safety protection.

June 1990 - Feb. 1991
Severn Trent Water plc, Nottingham/Derby
Working within the ‘leakages’ team I carried out site surveys and the installation of recording devices to capture flow, pressure rates and head levels for exporting into GENUS a Network Modelling Package.

Writing Autolisp routines to automatically produce diagrams of the network using data imported from the Network Modelling Package.

April 1990 - June 1990
British Rail Technical Centre, Derby
Using the Intergraph to redesigning the internal environment of existing rail stock to improve commuter safety following the Clapham incident.

Nov. 1989 - April 1990
N.S.W. Waterboard, Sydney, Australia
Carrying out sites surveys of water & sewage treatment works & using AutoCad to produce Site layout, Room layout & Cubicle layout diagrams

Aug. 1988 - Nov. 1989
British Rail Technical Centre, Derby
Using Intergraph to produce mechanical diagrams required for the conversion of a four rail system used on a class 483 (1938) underground stock to a three rail system used on the Isle of Wight railway network

June 1988 - Aug. 1988
Brel plc, Derby
Using Intergraph to layout equipment and electrical cable routes within the under-frame of the class 158 sprinter.

April 1988 - June 1988
Chronos Richardson Ltd, Nottingham
Using Autocad to produce diagrams associated with the control systems used within the food & rubber processing industry.

Oct. 1987 - April 1988
Thorn EMI Electronics Ltd, Rugely, Staffordshire
Responsible for producing wiring diagrams & cable schedules for electronic data distribution systems within the 'Fire Control' and 'Environment System' Control Panels used on the Royal Navy’s Trident Submarines.

Aug. 1985 - Oct. 1987
Jasmin Controls Ltd, Nottingham
Production of all drawings for power generation and instrumentation & control projects.

Clients include : Severn Trent Water, Yorkshire Water, Taylor Woodrow, GEC, Brush Electrical, BNFL, BP, Property Services Agency

AutoCAD system manager: Backups, Updates, Standards Libraries, Staff Training

March 1981- Aug. 1985
Sandiacre Electric Limited, Nottingham
Time served draughting apprenticeship within a Power Generation / Control & Instrument design office producing:

General arrangements, Gear tray layouts, Panel fabrication, Bus bar fabrication, Schematic wiring (logic), Point to point, Cabling schedules, Termination & Art work for mimic diagrams

Just incase you didn't know, This is my alt account that I use AT SCHOOL. My Primary is N3266G, and if you check the join date on that you will see that I joined before you. And Peter, Israel, and David can confirm this.

Any more questions SHM?

Oh and by the way,

First off, STOP with this behavior towards Simon. He is much older than you, show some Respect!

How can you even EXPECT me to show respect to someone who shows no respect to the site administrative team? Sure Israel tossed him a life line, but that is no reason to consistently BE A DICK TO EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY KL-666. Explain to me your logic here for constantly defending the joke and then maybe I will consider apologizing to the bastard. Until then, do us both a favor, and stay out of the issues that you are not apart of. Your mental health will thank you for it in the long run.

[SHM]

Just incase you didn't know, This is my alt account that I use AT SCHOOL. My Primary is N3266G, and if you check the join date on that you will see that I joined before you. And Peter, Israel, and David can confirm this.
Any more questions SHM?
Oh and by the way, How can you even EXPECT me to show respect to someone who shows no respect to the site administrative team? Sure Israel tossed him a life line, but that is no reason to consistently BE A DICK TO EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY KL-666.

Hi Falcon,

So, I joined one day after you. What difference does that make?
Stop changing the topic. You asked Simon to leave the forum, and I responded telling that Simon is much involved in Flightgear development than you are by showing a screenshot of your most active topic.
Also you told Simon had not much experience like you, but I proved that he had much more experience than you!
So, stop twisting. Admit that you were wrong.

What happened at Curt's forum? Did we show respect to the Administrative team there? No!

Explain to me your logic here for constantly defending the joke and then maybe I will consider apologizing to the bastard. Until then, do us both a favor, and stay out of the issues that you are not apart of. Your mental health will thank you for it in the long run.

Well somebody here doesn't like him being disproved! Grow up bruh.

I don't think Simon deserves to be treated with the abuse you throw at him. So, I will be defending him.
He has been defending the 'FGMembers' at Curt's forum for a long time, even after lots of bans. So, I know for a fact he just challenges the wrongful things.

And can I ask you one thing? Are you part of this issue to ask me to gtfo?

Secondly Hayden. Simon has a name, you either call him that or his forum handle 'Bomber'. Not names that you get constantly called at by others on a daily basis.

Now read what Israel said a few posts before:

First of all, Bomber has not even been moderated on this board for anything at all. Not even a single one time.

Bomber and Vincent had clashes on this very same thread. Many people on this board had had clashes in the past, so nothing new under the sun.

We can see this as Bomber challenging authority. But 1) Challenging of authority is what made this forum in the first place. 2) Per our forum methods, Moderation does not spontaneously happen, and therefore, Vincent has been acting on "normal user" mode here. Not in category of Moderator. In fact clearly instead of Moderating, Vincent had been unmoderating this discussion with the goal of bringing some problems on the fore-front.

I can see why JWocky jumped harsh to defend Vincent. But unfortunately it was 1) uncalled for [Vincent never asked moderation to be taken place] and 2) utterly an excess, and 3) Unilaterally decided.

Now JWocky. Let me remind you of something a bit of an irony here.

Bomber is exactly in your sit.

Look. I was banned from Curtis' Forum because I dared to challenge authority (as Lydiot did to you here). Then you put yourself in the line of fire, and defended me very strongly, just as bomber had defended Lydiot in this thread. And as a consequence you were banned off Curtis' forum just because you've done what you considered loyal, friendly, and ultimately right.

I hated Curtis' for that, and I'd hate seeing my friend repeating such misdemeanor.

SHM

[bomber]

Per our forum methods, Moderation does not spontaneously happen, and therefore, Vincent has been acting on "normal user" mode here. Not in category of Moderator. In fact clearly instead of Moderating, Vincent had been unmoderating this discussion with the goal of bringing some problems on the fore-front.

So if Vincent has been acting as an ordinary user as Israel would want us to think, why is their a demand on me or anyone else to treat him any different to a normal user ?

Why does he expect to be treated any different ?
and is that expectation an abuse of his moderator privileges ?

I've explained that it's sometime difficult for people to know if a user is posting as an ordinary user or in their capacity as owner/moderator, and that causes confusion and from this situations like this do arise. I stuck to this belief and had a separate account made for when I'm posting as a moderator. Rather than this be accepted by the admin team Vincent questioned my mental health, citing I had multiple personalities. I reported this post to the admin team after which Vincent then made it publicly known. He could only know I'd reported is through his role as moderator yet we're told when he mad eit know on the main forum posting as a normal user.. surely that's a misuse of privileges ?

I've only ever had one argument here on FGMembers... this one with Vincent and then J-wocky and it's a very simple argument... I stated.

"A moderator should not instigate an argument on this forum"

Think about it... if there's no argument taking place, why would a moderator do that ?, How does starting an argument make this a better forum ?

Vincent started a topic to address name calling on this forum... over the last 4 weeks I've been called far more names that he has ever been called. We're to believe that Vincent started the topic as an ordinary user, but later in the debate we find out that he's actually just finished moderating Lydiot and J-wocky after jwocky reported Lydiot for being too argumentative/trolling. There's clearly knowledge that Vincent has, that he could only have gained as a moderator, there's clearly 'bad blood' that he's gained from having had to moderate Lydiot and not been happy with his response. Yet we're to believe that he starts the topic posting as a normal user. A post that goads Lydiot into an argument by directly quoting him such that he was left with no alternative but to post and state his position, which is then used against him as he's accused of trolling.

I'm quite happy to accept the authority of owner and moderator, to respect the work they have to perform...

But when it becomes ambiguous, when as a reader you can't be sure in just what capacity the posters writes in, then I'm not happy.

BUT WHO AM I, TO SAY OBJECT ?

I'm just a normal poster, so why all this grief if I'm just replying to another ordinary poster I have to ask ?

One more thing.... A couple of posts back J-wocky posted.. ask yourself as you read it, is this a normal user wanting a mutually respectful relationship or an owner making ultimatums ?

Regards

Simon