Re: Creation or Evoloution? Big Bang or Big Belief -- which is it?
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:03 pm
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SkyBoat wrote:Lydiot, you'll have to blame the dog, like IAHM-COL said. None of your posts have been deleted. To date the only posts that have been deleted by the administrators have come from spammers or persons trying to sell pornography.
Lydiot wrote:First of all, in terms of making claims and the size of those claims, there is currently no bigger claim than that of god. An omniscient omnipresent omnipotent creator of universes is clearly by far a more "huge" claim than dark matter. So if the size of the claim was an issue then bringing up dark matter in a thread about "creation or evolution / big bang or big belief" seems a bit.... unconvincing.
Lydiot wrote:- It promotes some theories / hypotheses more than others = it's a biased community
- It takes into account all hypotheses and give them all equal time and attention = there's no consensus so who knows what's "true"
KL-666 wrote:Lydiot wrote:First of all, in terms of making claims and the size of those claims, there is currently no bigger claim than that of god. An omniscient omnipresent omnipotent creator of universes is clearly by far a more "huge" claim than dark matter. So if the size of the claim was an issue then bringing up dark matter in a thread about "creation or evolution / big bang or big belief" seems a bit.... unconvincing.
Such statement has no meaning to me. I have seen you argue earlier along these lines towards me. As if i am thinking: "no science, then god". Probably this preconception troubles your understanding of what i say. You have to realize that i am one of the truest non-believers in existence. Anything that is told me to believe, i take as highly doubtful and invalidating related statements. I believe not in god nor in scientific fantasies like the dark stuff (they are far from proven, unlike you trying to say they are). If you rethink all i say from this perspective, you may understand why the dark stuff is very troublesome for me. It invalidates a lot of scientific statements. Cut the dark stuff out and look more than now is done at some convictions of science that are at the base of expanding universe to get some serious explanations.Lydiot wrote:- It promotes some theories / hypotheses more than others = it's a biased community
- It takes into account all hypotheses and give them all equal time and attention = there's no consensus so who knows what's "true"
Being biased is not helping the "truth" either. Running everywhere like in the second option is a bit bit of caricature. This is still not about new hypotheses, but more about investigating current hypotheses. Try to find observations that contradict your theory, not only the ones that agree. Do not fix contradictions with fantasy matter, but rethink your basic assumptions. Then there is a win situation for science.
Kind regards, Vincent
Lydiot wrote:Yet, curiously, I don't see you criticizing those who propose alternatives to dark matter / energy. Why are they not the ones being biased against dark stuff rather than vice versa? Why are you criticizing only proponents of dark stuff and not the rest who are also critical of it?
KL-666 wrote:Lydiot wrote:Yet, curiously, I don't see you criticizing those who propose alternatives to dark matter / energy. Why are they not the ones being biased against dark stuff rather than vice versa? Why are you criticizing only proponents of dark stuff and not the rest who are also critical of it?
Somehow you simply do not listen to what i am saying.
KL-666 wrote: I am not with them either. I am against iffy science that incorporates fantasy stuff to fix their problems. And that counts for anyone doing so.
KL-666 wrote:Small scale technical success (LTE, etc...) does not prove that you can simply extrapolate these micro scale theories to large scale, like billions of light years. Specifically if problems start to arise you'll have to investigate if there is not a mistake in doing so. I do not accept filling gaps with fantasy.
Kind regards, Vincent
KL-666 wrote:Far smarter people than me have proven god.
Kind regards, Vincent
KL-666 wrote:Get away. If you pretend to have any knowledge, you would know them.
And please do not start about me believing in god, because i do not.
Kind regards, Vincent