USA TOUR Event | SAT DECEMBER 17TH 18:00 - 21:00 UTC

[SHM]

VATSIM apparently is teaching the ATC standard for the United States (and perhaps Canada) and not for the other countries or the international standards. Please correct me, if I am misinformed. So, one cannot say that VATSIM is the gold standard for ATC in any flight simulator until they have instituted tutorials in the full ICAO International Standards plus certifications in all 13 countries that have special rules.

Again wrong. The reason why there are so many VATSIM division/vacc are there is exactly to teach them to the ATCs standards followed In that country.

[jwocky]

Frankfurt is a place for perfect pilots who do nothing else but flying, run by a perfect ATC who does nothing else but ATCing there.
Sooo, SHM, you do a lot of things, you can't be perfect in anything, at best imperfect on a high level. Which means, the mic fails, the phone rings, something happens and then shit happens to your plane. So, why doyou want to fly to FFM anyway? That's the playground for the perfect people.
And Vincent, you are one of the best pilots in FG I know. I know, I will never reach your level of perfection in handling planes and approaches and what not. But please, cut some slack to the not-so-perfect people. Because aside of SHM avoiding FFM for a while, there is always the option to drag you screaming and stomping into FDM development and expect you to be perfect in it from the first day.
I can't and won't censor here anybody, so if you want to bash each other up for all eternity if you like. But maybe you can just acknowledge that you do different things, are different people and use FG for different reasons with different goals and thus respect each other in this kind of diversity too and just kick this?

[SHM]

If jomo decides to improve his tone of voice, he is only going to get more pilots and less trolls.

[KL-666]

How about you go and find what is done become making false statements!

Can you elaborate a bit more on this? it is quite nothing-saying in this form.

Kind regards, Vincent

[SHM]

VATSIM follows just what is done in RL.

[KL-666]

Cute that those seniors still try to follow young pilots, but you claim false statements. Can you elaborate on where these statements are false?

Kind regards, Vincent

[KL-666]

Yeah, it is not easy for a person who loves to frame others by crying "false statements". When asked to elaborate on "false statements" he is suddenly is not home. Wow, what a great way to frame people, without having to answer for your framing methods.

Kind regards, Vincent

[jwocky]

Timezones?As usual, I suggest to wait a little for an answer. Forums are, by definition, asynchronous communication.

[SkyBoat]

@SHM-- You are both right and you're wrong. Although VATSIM, itself, is free, it is an addon that only works with proprietary flight simulators.

Users need custom plugins (such as SquawkBox, FSInn, vPilot or XSquawkBox) for flight simulators (such as Microsoft Flight Simulator, Prepar3D or X-Plane) to connect as pilots, or radar simulation applications Advanced Simulated Radar Client (ASRC), Virtual Radar Client (VRC), EuroScope, vSTARS, or vERAM[21] to connect as air traffic controllers. VATSIM-specific applications are available for free and provided by the network itself.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Air_Traffic_Simulation_Network#Software

FlightGear is both free and Open Source.

And of particular note, in contrast to FlightGear, VATSIM is not Open Source software. It is completely proprietary and run on proprietary servers. This is not to say that it is not a high quality software and simulation package. It is a very impressive system. However, it not being Open Source places it in a category that makes it impossible to ever be integrated with FlightGear. Therefore, from our perspective, such software, no matter how sophisticated it might be, just can't be used as we develop FlightGear for the coming generation. We have to look to Open Source initiatives to build the next generation of Air Traffic Control systems. It can't be based on VATSIM, so naturally, its models for training Air Traffic Controllers have to look different and it will be essential that FlightGear players train for the FG ATC system, not VATSIM, when it comes along.

[SkyBoat]

I stand corrected. VATSIM does have worldwide coverage. It was my error not to check their website first. I regret the mistake.