Why am I not banned yet??

[KL-666]

Thorsten has adjusted his rigid choice of one motive over the other to a more realistic assessment. The situation is at best (worst) ambiguous. I find that a positive development. Fair is fair.

Yet you choose to make the judgement difficult for me by remaining ambiguous

https://forum.flightgear.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30258&sid=b909647ba942b15fab60262515cd0bc4&start=105#p293652

[bomber]

Simon wrote

Try this for clear and simple English.... my first language.

There are people here who would like nothing better than for me to just leave, but I won't give them the pleasure, they will have to ban me.

There are people here who would rather FGMember didn't exist and by deleting posts work to ensure members of this community don't know they exist or that they offer an alternative. I won't give them the pleasure of being silent and so I have their repository in my signature..

The agenda I have is to not allow the core developers to destroy alternative ideas for moving FG forward by deleting the existence of such thoughts.

I do no one's work.... I'm my own man, I'm 52, not some 15 year old to be bullied by you or anyone.

WHO the hell you are to judge me I don't know !

FUCK YOU THORSTEN !

clear enough ?

[KL-666]

Hello Bomber,

Hmm, not exactly diplomatic in a situation where there is already so much mistrust back and forth. But maybe sometimes it necessary to let off some steam. And i trust you can account for your words yourself.

Kind regards, Vincent

[bomber]

When someone basically calls you a lier to your face and the world.... I think an answer in the strongest possible terms is the only fair and fitting one !

[KL-666]

Hi Bomber,

I had the strong impression that he was moving away from calling you that. Maybe not entirely yet, but there was movement. Please read Thorstens post i linked last carefully. And maybe take a short break on this subject. Often in the morning things can look quite different than when you are in the heat of it.

Kind regards, Vincent

[IAHM-COL]

Hi Bomber,

Please read Thorstens post i linked last carefully. And maybe take a short break on this subject.
Kind regards, Vincent

The one where Thorsten suggests bomber could remove the signature for Thorsten's ease?

[KL-666]

Yup, carefull reading and seeing the positive developments between the lines is important in delicate situations. Or you can choose to hack into the obvious and smash any chance of progress. It's up to everyones own choice.

Kind regards, Vincent

[IAHM-COL]

saying that Thorsten can request bomber to change his signature in a polite way, and that being O.K.; just because the signature makes Thorsten feel uncomfortable... or saying that Thorsten is showing some progress on such statements is a bit of an stretch, in my opinion.

Bomber's signature is not offensive or any of that matter. Seems a perfectly acceptable signature to me.

Now. It is thorsten saying that Bombers ulterior motives within the community will remain in doubt or at-staked, be dubious, just because the signature places support in FGMEMBERS? Is that, how I am reading Thorsten is giving some "field to the enemy"?

I found that Bomber is really being polite responding in "English" to Thorsten about Not changing his signature just for Thorsten's ease

I wouldn't change my signature just on Thorsten request either. Nor understand Thorsten is being more "reasonable" by placing such request, nor to state that "my signature" is the whole reason of his unwarranted attitudes towards myself.

So I do understand Bomber's outrage, actually.

[KL-666]

Really, IAHM-COL, you are focusing on the least important aspect of that post. I never even considered that Bomber would remove his signature. Thorsten can ask "politely" as much as he likes, and Bomber can keep his signature as he likes.

Kind regards, Vincent

[IAHM-COL]

To borrow Stuart's analogy - you're someone who enters a mosque with a big cross hanging around his neck wearing a T-shirt saying 'Only Jesus will save you' - and then saying to the Imam 'I just want to make sure nobody destroys alternative ideas to move forward'.

You know, when asked about your agenda here, you could have just said that you're genuinely interested in discussing FDMs. Instead, you basically confirmed what Edward suspected in your answer.

WHO the hell you are to judge me I don't know !

What a strange question - we judge others all the time to decide how to interact with them. I'm someone capable of coherent thought and a good memory - that ought to be enough.

There we have. If this shows Thorsten being reasonable, I think we have come to expect so little from him that we intentionally place the bar of respect to everyone in the community rather low for him.