At least one attack a day

[KL-666]

If anyone reads the world news thoroughly, he may notice that we are reaching at least one attack a day in the world. Mostly in places like Turkey and Africa, so we may tend to skip those events from our minds. I'm sure you all remember the good old days when there was "only" one bomb blast once every half year. These times have long bygone since there are all sorts of inspired individuals who feel they have to play their part on the world stage. Just a few days ago we even had 3 attacks on one day. Today we have 2 on the same day. Russian ambassador shot in Turkey, and a truck driving into a christmas market in Berlin.

All the heightened security, with more police, etc... does not do the job. Inspired individuals just overtake them left and right. No, something else is needed here. A community effort to include every citizen, so that they do not get wrong ideas. Love your neighbour like you love yourself. Jesus may have said that, but i am not sure he did. Yet i say it now. Reach out to your neighbours, speak with them, so they realize you are human, and should not be blown up.

Kind regards, Vincent

[Octal450]

It's because in this world, there is a lot of coocoo's. You can't fix stupid.

Regards,
Josh

[jwocky]

While I seriously approach the idea behind Vincent's post, reality is unfortunately a bit different.

- Man of the offenders were, after they attacked found to have lived in social-cultural bubble areas. We are neither allowed to keep those bubbles under surveillance nor add them as a factor in profiling models for prevention measures, or the Lydiots of the world will cry.

- Because of that, they are usually NOT your neighbors. They often live in enclaves in the middle of your society, in parts of the cities where you can't ask for the way without speaking Arabic (for example in Mollenbeck/Belgium, the eastern side of SO-36/Berlin/Germany) or Russian or Polish (northern Dortmund/Germany for example, Little Odessa/NY/USA).

- We meet them however often in schools and on jobs. Still, because they are all "minorities", we are not supposed to notice behavioral changes or red flags or the Lydiots of the world will cry again. And even if someone notices behavioral changes, regular law enforcement is not allowed to have a look at them before they actually committed a crime. Even all kinds of secret services working on this can't do too much do to these legal limitations and neither the equipment nor the current technology would be able to lure everywhere for red flags in actual actions. If someone is for example buying three pressure cookers, is he building bombs or is he preparing a big family dinner?

Nevertheless, be nice to your neighbors, you never know in these days, how long till one of them goes to a Christmas market or has to go on a business trip by plane and doesn't return.

[Lydiot]

While I seriously approach the idea behind Vincent's post, reality is unfortunately a bit different.

You probably meant "appreciate".

Because of that, they are usually NOT your neighbors. They often live in enclaves in the middle of your society, in parts of the cities where you can't ask for the way without speaking Arabic (for example in Mollenbeck/Belgium, the eastern side of SO-36/Berlin/Germany) or Russian or Polish (northern Dortmund/Germany for example, Little Odessa/NY/USA).

- We meet them however often in schools and on jobs. Still, because they are all "minorities", we are not supposed to notice behavioral changes or red flags or the Lydiots of the world will cry again. And even if someone notices behavioral changes, regular law enforcement is not allowed to have a look at them before they actually committed a crime. Even all kinds of secret services working on this can't do too much do to these legal limitations and neither the equipment nor the current technology would be able to lure everywhere for red flags in actual actions.

I suppose the arrests of people before they act, in areas such as these, are just evidence that there aren't arrests before the acts, right?

Interestingly, they also just convicted people from Albany NY for planning acts of terrorism. Do they fit your profiles too?

If someone is for example buying three pressure cookers, is he building bombs or is he preparing a big family dinner?

The practical application of the above concern being?.....

Unfortunately the US constitution is preventing the surveillance utopia you so desire. Bummer.

[jwocky]

Well, planning and preparing an act of terror is actually a crime, like conspiracy to murder. And well, knowing that most of those offenders not only came from those cultural pockets but that the population in those pockets also often supported them.
So, what I desire is effective measures against those crazy homicidal nutjobs you so zealously try to protect.

And above, actually I wrote "approach" because I was approaching his position, of course in a metaphoric sense. But I guess, that is beyond your understanding of language.

[Lydiot]

What are examples of "effective measures against those crazy homicidal nutjobs"?

And "no", I'm not trying to protect them. You're a complete fucking asshole for saying that. But by all means tell us what those measures are.

[KL-666]

Here is exactly happening everything following the plan of the terror people. To make their enemy fearful of each other and angry at each other, ultimately destroying themselves from within.

Do not give in to those emotions. Do not start accusing each other. No, embrace each other in what we have in common: the disgust of what those terror people do.

There are many things that can be done against terror. But none of them is the silver bullet, specifically not against lone wolves. Sure a bit more security activity helps a bit. And sure showing to your *metaphorical* neighbours that you are human helps a bit too (killing works best when the victim is dehumanized in the mind of the killer). And sure, there may be other things to do.

Let's add all these things and make the best result, instead of infighting each other over who has the silver bullet, and lose.

Kind regards, Vincent

[jwocky]

@Vincent: Too late for that ... Lydiot tried to paint me the bad guy since his beloved terrorists blew up the terminal hall in Belgium and killed 33 people (aside of themselves) and injured over 300. So that aggression is not because of terrorism, it is just because of Lydiot's ethical incompetence.

@Lydiot: For example not just taking footage of every car that goes in and out any city areas (like it is now, all main traffic routes have cameras) but actually sort it by time line and repeats. For example, a seven-seat van with a female driver and 2-5 kids during daytime in it is totally uninteresting, we don't need to follow up on your soccer mom. But the same car, a usually quite unobtrusive sedan or hatchback, always driven by different drivers and often at night, could be interesting.
Or, sales of artificial fertilizer above a certain amount are reported (and in many cases, sellers actually ask for credit card or a billing address nowadays), but instead of trying to follow up on each of the buyers with deep background checks (which fail for most refugees), we have to wonder first, does that buyer have a garden or field.
But also, yes, I would prioritize buyers with addresses from such neighborhoods. And yes, every substance, that can be made into bigger powerful explosives, should be only available with ID and/or credit card.

See, the trick is not to watch more. Since Obama became President, the NSA gathered data over every phone call, the number of surveillance cameras was quadrupled and you can't buy ammo for a gun without ID in many states. But you can haul out tons of stuff, you can make bombs with and all the data is just stored and a limited manpower tries, with outdated algorithms, to figure out patterns. So, they are always late. The trick is not to observe more, the trick is to observe in the right spots and come to conclusions fast. And for heaven's sake, we don't need five agencies doing the same stuff and keeping all their data a secret from the other four, we need to bring the data together and then use all possible filters to narrow it down. But that is the the problem, exactly there. As soon as someone like me says to look at Muslims with direct contact to the countries where Al-Qaeda and Isis are strong first, some Lydiot starts drooling and talks about "surveillance utopia". Which is in part because those Lydiots are usually mentally not capable to understand how profiling works.

[Lydiot]

Here is exactly happening everything following the plan of the terror people. To make their enemy fearful of each other and angry at each other, ultimately destroying themselves from within.

Do not give in to those emotions. Do not start accusing each other. No, embrace each other in what we have in common: the disgust of what those terror people do.

There are many things that can be done against terror. But none of them is the silver bullet, specifically not against lone wolves. Sure a bit more security activity helps a bit. And sure showing to your *metaphorical* neighbours that you are human helps a bit too (killing works best when the victim is dehumanized in the mind of the killer). And sure, there may be other things to do.

Let's add all these things and make the best result, instead of infighting each other over who has the silver bullet, and lose.

Kind regards, Vincent

You're funny.

Everyone here wants to not have any terrorism, and none of us wants to protect terrorists. You know this. Now read JWocky's replies.

We can clearly see where the problem lies regarding what you say above.

[Lydiot]

@Lydiot: For example not just taking footage of every car that goes in and out any city areas (like it is now, all main traffic routes have cameras) but actually sort it by time line and repeats. For example, a seven-seat van with a female driver and 2-5 kids during daytime in it is totally uninteresting, we don't need to follow up on your soccer mom. But the same car, a usually quite unobtrusive sedan or hatchback, always driven by different drivers and often at night, could be interesting.

And what do you suggest is done after that? What action do you suggest is taken based on the data that is the result of the above?